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If it was high then, today it is stratospheric. Poitras has played a key role in the world’s greatest leak of espionage secrets — American whistleblower Edward Snowden’s revelations of a huge US electronic surveillance programme. Poitras is one of only two journalists to whom Snowden last year entrusted his treasure trove of documents taken from the National Security Agency, the cyber intelligence organisation. She is also the director of Citizenfour, a ?lm about her encounter with Snowden, which is tipped for an Oscar as best documentary of 2014.她的威脅分?jǐn)?shù)如果當(dāng)時(shí)算高的話,如今就肯定直上云霄了。波伊特拉斯在世界上最大規(guī)模的間諜泄密事件——美國(guó)泄密者愛德華•斯諾登(Edward Snowden)曝光美國(guó)大規(guī)模電子監(jiān)聽計(jì)劃——中扮演了關(guān)鍵角色。去年,斯諾登把自己從美國(guó)網(wǎng)絡(luò)情報(bào)機(jī)構(gòu)——國(guó)家安全局(NSA)拿走的珍貴文件只委托給了2名記者,波伊特拉斯便是其中之一。她還是《第四公民》(Citizenfour)的導(dǎo)演,這部紀(jì)錄片講述了她遇到斯諾登的經(jīng)過,有望獲得奧斯卡2014年最佳紀(jì)錄片獎(jiǎng)。
Poitras now assumes she is under surveillance, night and day. “I am lit up like a Christmas tree behind the scenes,” she says, quite casually. “Which means there is probably a graph, and the graph shows who are the people that I am in contact with.” She is speaking in Berlin, where she now lives. Milky autumn light streams through the windows, gently illuminating her. She looks younger than her 52 years and gestures fluidly when she speaks. If she worries about the perpetual monitoring of her daily life, she does not show it. “The choice is, either I say: ‘Well, I’ll stop doing this kind of work,’ you know, because the harassment is really bothersome, or ‘I’ll keep doing it.’”波伊特拉斯現(xiàn)在認(rèn)為,她從早到晚都處在監(jiān)視之下。“我像一顆在幕后被點(diǎn)亮的圣誕樹,”她相當(dāng)從容地說,“這意味著,他們很可能有個(gè)圖表,上面顯示了我接觸的人。”她在柏林接受采訪,那里是她現(xiàn)在的居住地。秋天柔和的陽光灑進(jìn)窗內(nèi),淡淡地照亮了她。她看起來比52歲的實(shí)際年齡年輕些,說話時(shí)手勢(shì)很多。如果說她對(duì)日常生活受到無時(shí)無刻的監(jiān)視感到憂慮,那么她至少?zèng)]有表現(xiàn)出來。“我面臨的選擇是,要不說‘好吧,我會(huì)停止做這類工作’,你懂的,因?yàn)檫@種騷擾真的很煩人,或者說‘我會(huì)繼續(xù)這么做’。”
The incident at Vienna airport occurred soon after she had ?nished My Country, My Country, a 2006 ?lm that followed the lives of ordinary Iraqis under the US occupation after the overthrow of Saddam Hussein. Nominated for an Oscar, it also caused the US intelligence agencies to put Poitras on something she now knows is a “watch list” — a roster of people the US authorities seek to track. Next came another documentary that may have irritated the US government — The Oath, a 2010 ?lm about two Yemeni brothers who served Osama bin Laden as driver and bodyguard, one of whom ended up in Guantánamo Bay.維也納機(jī)場(chǎng)事件發(fā)生的不久前,波伊特拉斯剛剛完成了《伊拉克,我的祖國(guó)》(My Country, My Country)的制作。這部2006年的紀(jì)錄片敘述了在薩達(dá)姆•侯賽因(Saddam Hussein)被推翻后,伊拉克普通人在美國(guó)占領(lǐng)下的生活。該片獲得奧斯卡提名,也導(dǎo)致美國(guó)情報(bào)機(jī)構(gòu)把波伊特拉斯列入她現(xiàn)在所知的“觀察名單”——美國(guó)有關(guān)部門試圖追蹤的人員名單。接下來是另一部可能激怒了美國(guó)政府的紀(jì)錄片——《誓言》(The Oath)。這部2010年的影片講述了為奧薩馬•本•拉登(Osama bin Laden)當(dāng)司機(jī)和保鏢的也門兩兄弟,其中一人后來成了關(guān)塔那摩灣(Guantánamo Bay)的在押人員。
That ?rst Vienna questioning has been followed by about 40 others at US airports. Poitras has had her computer, notebooks and mobile phone taken away, sometimes for weeks. She says she assumed that when of?cials realised she was “just a ?lm-maker”, she would be taken off the list. But it didn’t happen. “And then, I became more confrontational at the airport, you know, taking notes while answering questions, asserting my rights as a journalist.”在維也納第一次被盤問之后,她又在美國(guó)不同的機(jī)場(chǎng)被盤問了40來次。波伊特拉斯的電腦、筆記簿、手機(jī)都曾被扣押,有時(shí)數(shù)周后才拿回。她說,她本來以為,當(dāng)官員們意識(shí)到她“只是個(gè)電影人”之后,就會(huì)從名單上刪除她的名字。但事實(shí)不是這樣。“于是,我在機(jī)場(chǎng)變得比較不客氣,邊回答問話邊作筆記,堅(jiān)持自己作為記者的權(quán)利。”
When Snowden got in touch last year, she quickly realised his story had the potential to cause a much bigger shock than anything she had done before. “The minute I thought Snowden was real, of course, I was fearful. I mean it was clear this was going to be dangerous — to anger the most powerful people in the world.”去年斯諾登與她聯(lián)系時(shí),她很快意識(shí)到,他的故事可能引發(fā)的軒然大波會(huì)超過她以往做過的任何事。“當(dāng)我意識(shí)到斯諾登所言屬實(shí)時(shí),我當(dāng)然害怕。我的意思是,這顯然會(huì)很危險(xiǎn)——會(huì)激怒世界上一些最強(qiáng)大的人。”
The 31-year-old computer expert had electronic ?les containing more than one million documents Snowden had taken from the NSA, where he worked as a contractor until he fled for Hong Kong in May 2013. He decided to hand them over to Poitras and Guardian journalist Glenn Greenwald. Hiding in a Hong Kong hotel, he arranged a secret meeting with them and another Guardian journalist. As Poitras portrays in Citizenfour, Snowden spent hours in his cramped room explaining his secrets and convincing the three reporters. Later she asked Snowden why he had chosen her. He emailed in reply: “You asked why I picked you. I didn’t. You did.” He was talking about her reputation: she was the kind of formidable force he needed to make sure his revelations would reach a global audience.當(dāng)時(shí),這位31歲電腦專家的電子文檔包含了他從NSA拿走的超過100萬份文件。斯諾登在2013年5月逃往香港之前是NSA的合同工。他決定把這些文檔都交給波伊特拉斯和英國(guó)《衛(wèi)報(bào)》(Guardian)記者格倫•格林沃爾德(Glenn Greenwald)。藏身于香港一家酒店的他,安排了與二人和另一名《衛(wèi)報(bào)》記者的秘密會(huì)面。正如波伊特拉斯在《第四公民》中所描繪的一樣,斯諾登在其狹小房間內(nèi)花了幾個(gè)小時(shí)解釋他的秘密,讓三名記者相信他。后來,波伊特拉斯問斯諾登為何選擇她。他回郵件稱:“你問我為什么選你。我沒有選你。是你選了自己。”他指的是她的聲望:他需要一種令人敬畏的力量來確保他的爆料能引起全球的注意,她就是這種力量。
The result was a string of stories published in The Guardian, The Washington Post, Germany’s Der Spiegel magazine and elsewhere, detailing the electronic spying operations of the NSA and its partners in the UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. They reported on Prism, a secret programme for eavesdropping on Americans’ Google and Yahoo accounts; on Tempora, a British-run global surveillance scheme, and on XKeyscore, a computer ?lter for sifting vast amounts of internet data. The stories revealed that agents spied on players engaged in the World of Warcraft online game, snooped around aid organisations Unicef and Médecins Sans Frontières, and even tapped the mobile phone of German chancellor Angela Merkel.結(jié)果就是《衛(wèi)報(bào)》、《華盛頓郵報(bào)》(The Washington Post)、德國(guó)《明鏡周刊》(Der Spiegel)等媒體發(fā)表的一系列報(bào)道,詳盡描述了NSA及其在英國(guó)、加拿大、澳大利亞和新西蘭的伙伴機(jī)構(gòu)所進(jìn)行的電子偵察活動(dòng)。這些報(bào)道曝光了窺探美國(guó)人谷歌(Google)和雅虎(Yahoo)賬戶的秘密計(jì)劃“棱鏡”(Prism);英國(guó)運(yùn)行的Tempora全球監(jiān)聽計(jì)劃;以及用于篩選海量互聯(lián)網(wǎng)數(shù)據(jù)的電腦過濾器XKeyscore。這些報(bào)道曝光了情報(bào)人員監(jiān)視網(wǎng)絡(luò)游戲“魔獸世界”(World of Warcraft)的玩家,窺探援助組織如聯(lián)合國(guó)兒童基金會(huì)(Unicef)和無國(guó)界醫(yī)生組織(MSF),甚至竊聽德國(guó)總理安格拉•默克爾(Angela Merkel)的手機(jī)。
The impact was immediate. In the US, Snowden was condemned by some as a traitor and lauded by others as a hero. The authorities charged him with espionage and accused him of assisting the enemies of the US. Washington wants to bring Snowden back from Russia, where he sought protection a few days after his encounter with Poitras.這些爆料立刻引發(fā)沖擊波。在美國(guó),有人指責(zé)斯諾登為“叛徒”,也有人贊其為“英雄”。當(dāng)局以間諜罪對(duì)其提出刑事控罪,指控其幫助美國(guó)的敵人。華盛頓方面希望將斯諾登從俄羅斯引渡回國(guó)。斯諾登在與波伊特拉斯見面幾天后便前往俄羅斯并尋求保護(hù)。
However, US President Barack Obama also ordered a review of NSA procedures, which made a string of recommendations to increase court scrutiny. “One of the things that has been interesting to watch about the NSA story is how it has cut across political lines. We have had people both from the Democratic and the Republican parties who have been outraged,” says Poitras. In other countries, support for Snowden has been far stronger, notably in Germany, where politicians were furious at the Merkel phone-tap and public opinion is particularly concerned about the invasion of privacy.然而,美國(guó)總統(tǒng)巴拉克•奧巴馬(Barack Obama)也命令對(duì)NSA的工作流程進(jìn)行評(píng)估,評(píng)估結(jié)果提出了一系列加強(qiáng)法庭審核的建議。波伊特拉斯稱:“關(guān)于NSA事件,其中一個(gè)有意思的看點(diǎn)在于這件事是如何跨越政治界線的。我們看到,對(duì)此氣憤填膺的既有民主黨人也有共和黨人。”在其他國(guó)家,對(duì)斯諾登的支持要大得多,特別是德國(guó)。該國(guó)政界人士對(duì)默克爾手機(jī)被監(jiān)聽極為憤怒,輿論對(duì)侵犯隱私也尤為關(guān)切。
Little in Poitras’s early life prepared her for this global drama. She grew up in a prosperous home in Boston, Massachusetts. She won’t talk about her family but it is a matter of record that her wealthy parents donated $20m for medical research to the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. After school, the young Poitras moved to San Francisco and worked for a while as a pastry chef before taking up ?lm studies. She moved to New York, where she focused on documentaries and made her ?rst award-winning ?lm, Flag Wars, an account of the gentri?cation of Columbus, Ohio.波伊特拉斯的早年人生經(jīng)歷對(duì)這種全球戲劇性事件沒有什么鋪墊。她在馬薩諸塞州波士頓的一個(gè)富裕家庭長(zhǎng)大。她不愿談?wù)撟约旱募彝?,但公開記錄顯示,她的有錢的父母向麻省理工學(xué)院(Massachusetts Institute of Technology)的醫(yī)學(xué)研究捐贈(zèng)了2000萬美元。年輕的波伊特拉斯在畢業(yè)后來到舊金山,在那里當(dāng)了一段時(shí)間的糕點(diǎn)主廚,隨后開始攻讀電影研究專業(yè)。她來到紐約專門從事紀(jì)錄片制作,首部獲獎(jiǎng)影片是《旗幟之爭(zhēng)》(Flag Wars),講述俄亥俄州哥倫布市的中產(chǎn)階層化。
Everything changed for Poitras in the wake of the 9/11 terrorist attack. “Somehow I felt that what was happening in the country was really disturbing and that I wanted to say something about it,” she remembers. She became increasingly concerned about the US government’s response, including the treatment of prisoners at Guantánamo Bay. And she started work on the controversial ?lms that have made her one of the world’s best-known documentary-makers.對(duì)波伊特拉斯來說,“9/11”恐怖襲擊發(fā)生后,一切都變了。她回憶道:“我覺得,這個(gè)國(guó)家發(fā)生的事情真的令人不安,對(duì)此我想要說些什么。”她越來越擔(dān)憂美國(guó)政府的回應(yīng),包括關(guān)塔那摩灣的在押人員待遇問題。她開始制作有爭(zhēng)議的影片,這讓她成為全球最著名的的紀(jì)錄片制作人之一。
Despite being a favourite for an Oscar, she says winning awards is not the point — the ?lms themselves are the point. Poitras is not convinced governments have changed much in response to the Snowden disclosures. “There has been a lot of lip service and a lot of recommendations in committees but no real fundamental changes of these policies,” she says. “In terms of concrete policy changes, maybe Merkel’s phone isn’t being tapped right now. But I am not sure how much of a big shift there is.”盡管獲得奧斯卡獎(jiǎng)的呼聲很高,但她表示,獲獎(jiǎng)并不是意義所在;電影本身才是。波伊特拉斯不相信各國(guó)政府因斯諾登的曝光而有太大改變。她說:“有很多表面文章,各種委員會(huì)提出許多建議,但這些政策沒有根本上的改變。就具體的政策改變而言,或許默克爾的電話現(xiàn)在沒有遭到竊聽。但我不肯定有什么大的變化。”
So surveillance continues at the same level as before? Poitras thinks there is “probably some reining in” of the targeted surveillance of people who “cannot be suspected of any wrongdoing”, perhaps out of fear of legal action. “I would guess people think twice in the intelligence agencies before they do that.” But she is far more positive about the revelations’ wider impact. “The reporting has changed consciousness and awareness around these issues . . . globally,” she says.因此監(jiān)聽程度還和過去一樣?波伊特拉斯認(rèn)為,或許由于擔(dān)心面臨法律訴訟,針對(duì)那些沒有涉嫌有不當(dāng)行為的目標(biāo)的監(jiān)視“很可能有所收斂”。“我猜,現(xiàn)在情報(bào)機(jī)構(gòu)的人在監(jiān)聽前會(huì)三思。”但她對(duì)斯諾登曝光的整體影響看法積極得多。她說:“這些報(bào)道在全球范圍……改變了人們對(duì)這些問題的觀念和認(rèn)識(shí)。”
Technology companies, including Google, Apple and Facebook, are “making real big changes in terms of offering privacy for customers” out of a fear that co-operating with the US government could lose them business, she says. “So you have those kind of things in the tech industry that are shifting and I think will continue to shift. They’ll be offering encryption and privacy for customers.”波伊特拉斯表示,由于擔(dān)心與美國(guó)政府合作可能讓它們喪失業(yè)務(wù),谷歌、蘋果(Apple)和Facebook等科技公司“在保護(hù)客戶隱私方面正在做出切實(shí)的重大改變”。“因此技術(shù)行業(yè)正在出現(xiàn)那類轉(zhuǎn)變,而且我認(rèn)為轉(zhuǎn)變將會(huì)繼續(xù)。它們將為客戶提供加密和隱私保護(hù)”。
Poitras is particularly pleased with developments in Germany, where she has lived since 2012 before she began making Citizenfour, having decided it would be too risky to work in the US. But she is scathing about Britain, which she has refused to visit, even to promote Citizenfour, for fear of arrest. “My lawyers really were concerned and careful, and so the UK is the one country that I haven’t travelled to.”波伊特拉斯尤其對(duì)德國(guó)的事態(tài)發(fā)展感到高興——她自2012年(那是在她開始制作《第四公民》之前)以來住在德國(guó),因?yàn)樗J(rèn)為在美國(guó)工作風(fēng)險(xiǎn)過大。但她對(duì)英國(guó)的批評(píng)很尖銳——由于擔(dān)心被捕,她拒絕去英國(guó),即便為了推介《第四公民》也不例外。“我的律師非常擔(dān)憂和小心,因此我沒有去過英國(guó)”。
She adds: “Yes, I go back to the US but the US is different. I mean, the US has the First Amendment [in its constitution] that protects the press. It has never happened that the US government has gone after journalists for publishing information that is classi?ed.”她補(bǔ)充稱:“沒錯(cuò),我會(huì)回美國(guó),但美國(guó)有所不同。我的意思是,美國(guó)有保護(hù)媒體的憲法《第一修正案》(First Amendment)。美國(guó)政府從未因記者發(fā)表機(jī)密信息而對(duì)其進(jìn)行追捕。”
In Britain, it is the catch-all nature of the Of?cial Secrets Act that deters her, especially after of?cials entered The Guardian’s offices and ordered the destruction of Snowden-linked computer hardware. This moment is captured in the ?lm — the hammers smashing the electronics to pieces. Her voice rising slightly, she says: “I mean, it is shocking to me actually to learn this, that there are no laws that are protecting the press and no historical memory of what happens if you don’t have a healthy functioning free press.”在英國(guó),《官方保密法》(Official Secrets Act)不受約束的觸角范圍令她卻步,尤其是在官員們闖入《衛(wèi)報(bào)》辦公室,下令毀掉與斯諾登相關(guān)的電腦設(shè)備之后。電影中記錄了那一刻——錘子將電子設(shè)備砸成碎片。她略微提高聲音說:“我的意思是,得知這個(gè)消息令我震驚,沒有法律保護(hù)新聞機(jī)構(gòu);如果沒有健康運(yùn)轉(zhuǎn)的自由媒體,就沒有對(duì)發(fā)生事件的歷史記憶。”
Like Snowden himself, Poitras believes there are cases when secret surveillance is legitimate — suspected terrorist plots, for example, or nuclear proliferation. “But it shouldn’t be bulk drag nets, suspicious surveillance of entire populations. We live in democracies that have a rule of law, which has been sidestepped in these programmes.”像斯諾登本人一樣,波伊特拉斯認(rèn)為秘密監(jiān)視在某些情況下是正當(dāng)?shù)?mdash;—例如疑似的恐怖分子陰謀或核擴(kuò)散。“但它不應(yīng)是巨大的拖網(wǎng),對(duì)全體人口進(jìn)行疑神疑鬼的監(jiān)聽。我們生活在實(shí)行法治的民主國(guó)家,這些監(jiān)聽計(jì)劃繞開了法治。”
She admits surveillance has changed her. Not only is she ultra-careful about practical issues — such as encrypting emails and having two computers, one for work and one for general use. She re-read George Orwell’s Nineteen Eighty-Four when she was getting emails from Snowden and was struck by the moment when the hero, Winston Smith, is trying to write a journal without being observed by the all-seeing eyes of the state. She recalls: “The sort of chilling effect then, when actually he sits down to write, he actually couldn’t express himself. I felt this, not to that extent, but there is this chilling effect where you realise that, well, if I think my computer is in?ltrated, then do I really want [to write] personal things on an email? I start using pencil and paper, you know — those kinds of things.”她承認(rèn)監(jiān)視改變了她。她不僅對(duì)實(shí)際事務(wù)極為謹(jǐn)慎,比如加密電子郵件,并且擁有兩臺(tái)電腦:一臺(tái)用于工作,另一臺(tái)作一般用途。當(dāng)她收到斯諾登的郵件時(shí),她重讀了喬治•奧威爾(George Orwell)的《一九八四》(Nineteen Eighty-Four)。她被書中的英雄溫斯頓•史密斯(Winston Smith)試圖在不受政府監(jiān)視的情況下寫日記的情節(jié)打動(dòng)。她回憶說:“隨之而來的可以說是寒蟬效應(yīng),當(dāng)他真正坐下來寫的時(shí)候,他居然無法表達(dá)自己的真實(shí)感受。我感受到了這一點(diǎn),雖然沒到那種程度,但是這種寒蟬效應(yīng)是存在的,你意識(shí)到,嗯,既然我認(rèn)為自己的電腦被入侵了,那我還要在電子郵件里寫私人的事情嗎?所以,我開始使用鉛筆和紙,諸如此類的事情。”
But she is proud that she trusts all the people involved in the Snowden ?lm — and that a majority of her closest colleagues were women. When she presented her team at a premiere in Berlin, nine of the ?rst 15 people on the stage were female; she says she chose individuals not because they were women but because they were “absolutely the best people” and that in documentary ?lm-making women play a much bigger role than they do in Hollywood. “There are so many prominent women directors in documentary, so I don’t feel what I am doing is unique.”但她引以自豪的是,她信任所有參與制作斯諾登電影的人,她最密切的同事中多數(shù)是女性。當(dāng)她在柏林的首映式上介紹她的團(tuán)隊(duì)時(shí),首批出場(chǎng)站到臺(tái)上的15人中9位是女性;她說,她選擇這些人不是因?yàn)樗齻兪桥裕且驗(yàn)樗齻兪?ldquo;絕對(duì)最優(yōu)秀的人”,而且女性拍攝紀(jì)錄片比在好萊塢作用更大。“有這么多杰出的女性紀(jì)錄片導(dǎo)演,所以我不覺得自己是獨(dú)一無二的。”
She wonders whether this is because the organisations are much smaller than for Hollywood features. “I actually think you can make your way without going through the same levels of systems’ bureaucracies. I don’t know.”她揣測(cè),這是否是因?yàn)橹谱骷o(jì)錄片的組織規(guī)模比好萊塢大片小得多。“我覺得你可以走自己的路,而無需通過官僚體制的各個(gè)層級(jí)。我不知道。”
Poitras sees Citizenfour as the third in a trilogy about US power that began with her Iraq and Guantánamo ?lms. She says it is “too soon to say” what she might do next. But she is working on a ?lm-based installation for the Whitney Museum of American Art in New York in 2016 that will address “the same themes but in a different way”.波伊特拉斯把《第四公民》看作她關(guān)于美國(guó)實(shí)力三部曲的第三部;前兩部是她拍攝的關(guān)于伊拉克和關(guān)塔那摩的紀(jì)錄片。她說,現(xiàn)在討論下一步可能做什么還“為時(shí)尚早”。但她正在為2016年紐約惠特尼美國(guó)藝術(shù)博物館(Whitney Museum of American Art)的一個(gè)基于電影的展覽做準(zhǔn)備,這個(gè)展覽將以“不同的方式展現(xiàn)相同的主題”。
“The truth is that I am not going to stop caring about these issues. We are 13 years after 9/11 and still have a war in Afghanistan. We still have policies that are really moving us in a direction that I don’t think is right for the country. There is a sort of moral drift away from fundamental principles, of transparency and government.” It is a serious view. But then making Poitras documentaries is a serious business. Snowden chose well.“說實(shí)話,我不會(huì)停止關(guān)心這些問題。9/11事件已經(jīng)過去13年,但我們?nèi)栽诎⒏缓勾蛘蹋杂幸恍┱咴谕苿?dòng)美國(guó)向著我認(rèn)為不對(duì)的方向前行。我們?cè)谕该鞫群驼嫌悬c(diǎn)偏離了根本的道德原則。”這是一個(gè)嚴(yán)肅的看法,可是像波伊特拉斯那樣制作紀(jì)錄片本來就是一項(xiàng)嚴(yán)肅的事業(yè)。斯諾登選得很精明。